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Thorner: Is America in the midst of another Civil War?



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By Nancy Thorner - 

An email circulating last week contained powerful truths that drew my attention. When a subsequent email corrected the original version's incorrect attribution, it stirred my curiosity to find out more about the piece entitled "The Civil War" and its author, Daniel Greenfield.

I found Greenfield wrote and delivered the commentary during the South Carolina Tea Party Convention Speech in January 2018. The original is titled, “The Second Civil War.” In it, Greenberg points out that America is in the midst of another civil war. This time the conflict is over whether the American people are going to govern themselves, or are they going to be governed? Are we going to have a government "of the people, by the people and for the people"? Or are we going to be ruled from the top by elites – the kind of government that most countries have where a few special people decide what’s best for everyone? 

Who is Daniel Greenberg?

Born in Israel, Daniel Greenberg now lives in Los Angeles. He's an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical left and Islamic terrorism.

Greenfield, a frequent contributor to FrontPageMag.com and a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, runs the best-named blog on the Internet, SultanKnish, where his articles and investigative pieces have been cited by Rush Limbaugh, John Podhoretz, and Michelle Malkin, to name a few.    

Listen here to Greenfield's YouTube presentation of "The Second Civil War."  

Now read below the very insightful and wake-up speech that Daniel Greenberg delivered during the South Carolina Tea Party Convention Speech in January 2018.

The Civil War by Daniel Greenberg

How do civil wars happen?

Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge. That's the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country?  When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.

The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election. There's a pattern here.

What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean? It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win. It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That's a civil war. There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice. But the Democrats have rejected our system of government. This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election. When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is a dictatorship. Your very own dictatorship.

The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate. The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats. Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.

Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country. The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country. If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. His power is unlimited. He's a dictator. But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything. He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented. A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy. A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him. That's how the game is played

That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight. When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law. But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws. Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.

The Constitution has something to say about that. Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country. If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.

Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding. Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member. If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people with him who also are NOT in the club. Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail. They use the tools of power to bring them down. That's not a free country.

It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election. It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win… WON.  

Have no doubt. We are in a civil war. This war is between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.


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  1. In case everyone hasn’t noticed, we are increasingly a ‘government’ controlled by the LEFT. This will continue ever more as increasing number of 3rd world populations will vote and vote for Democrats who want total government domination over all aspect of our lives.
    And there are some Republicans who either have this agenda for their own separate reasons or are just useful idiots-such as Collins of Maine

  2. I advise everyone to read about the racist history of the Democrat Party dating from it’s creation in 1836 to today, and it’s dependence on “plantation politics” which, in one form or another, it still practices today.
    Read it all in one new book: DEATH OF A NATION, by Dinesh D’Souza.
    I’ve known some of this most of my life, but I learned much more from reading this book.
    Two of the biggest fears of the Democrat Party are that they will lose more of what they have left of the white vote, and they will not gain an increased amount of the Hispanic vote.
    We really ARE in another Civil War and, as in the first one, it is for the future health of this nation and the future of self-determination of all America’s citizens.

  3. You can be certain that they will get ever more Hispanic vote by the sheer number of Hispanics that will reach voting age in the next few years let alone 20 years out.
    Anyone conservative who does not believe this is living in a fool’s paradise.

  4. Yes, and THAT is the very thing I have known since the 1970s.
    Two “parties,” actually Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum (or is it “Tweedle DUMB and Tweedle DUMBER”) have only become “fronts” for the swamp dwellers of D.C. so it matters not WHICH you vote for, because nothing much changes.
    THIS TIME we are seeing change, and we have evidence that change is happening by hearing the frantic screams of the left-leaning “news” media.
    And it is FUNNY to hear them whine about it.